Conflicting Essays in scholarship which have been the most engaging research job I have ever done. I have also added, over the years, queries about our "dated" geology with their "computerized" confirmations together with climate changes denied since 1963. The Ten-O'clock News have been telling us to change our clocks for DSL and back again BUT no one as noticed it has been changed, more than a few years ago, from March 31 and October 31, to a week or so earlier or even a week or so later.

Thursday, February 2, 2017

The Date of 4 Ahau 8 Kumk’u

The Date of 4 Ahau 8 Kumk’u as April 18, 411 AD

Naturally, 4 Ahau is a Day name, but 8 Kumk’u was never a month name until the Spanish rulers and Rome decided to create "month names" that would fit the Aztec/Maya calendar system sufficiently as to be able to correlate with the Spanish version of months/year, within the newly created months/year 1583-1584 for Nueva España as the Aztec/Maya versions of their 18 months of 20 days in a 365.25-day year. (This information can be found in The Book of the Year by Munro S. Edmonson, (1988, 178)

However, there was no great rush to teach the natives anything about the months, except the very simplified Julian Calendar.  The “month names remain linguistically undocumented.”(1988, 211) It never stopped the scholarly population from using the month names within their presentations as soon as they verified the 819 year correlation as a fixed, [although still faulty] detail. Everyone is attempting to justify the discrepancies they find.

One calculation David Stuart (2011) did was explained in The Order of Days. as 4 Ahau, 8 Kumk’u that added up to 244,9648 days, beginning with the calculation 9 x 144,000 = 1,296,000 days. (Stuart, 2011, 169).

Whoa!!!!  In the other side of the world, in China, [the 129,600, without the last zero], was used to make a strange statement: It was called The Creation of the World. My, what a coincidence.

Leonardo da Vinci teased the mathematical world by attempting to square a circle.  (When all failed the math problem, da Vince decided to tell every one where to find the answer; he put a rebus at the end of his signature. (National Geographic, April/May 2015) He drew a square within a square. This told the world that he would eventually find the way to prove it was possible in Geometry. Yet, the geometry part of the problem was not 4 x 4 which would square a cube, or a rectangle;  it was instead 129600 / 360 = 360: the number of days in a year before it became 365.25 as he knew it then; as we know it now. He was stating that the answer would be in China, where his rebus of a square within a square was used for the Arabs who were in China using their mathematics.

Apparently, it had been decided that the native population in Nueva España would not protest, because of the superior intelligence of the Europeans. This is a nice way of saying, the natives knew nothing about calendars. [Book reading intelligence always superceds picture writing all over the world.]

David Stuart did a great job finding multiple translation(s [below], and his work is too good to be truncated with paraphases, so I have included it as he wrote it on page 216-219 of The Order of Days David Stuart 2011):

a. “This  4 Ahau 8 Kumk’u date is explained in considerable detail in the inscription of a tall monument erected in the ruins of Quiriguá, Guatemala, known to archaeologists  as Stela C.”
b. “The left side begins with an Initial Series date, a Long Count, written as, 4 Ahau 8 Kumk’u. A record of the events of that momentous day comes (see page 218). In the first we find a small X-like element, which we know from Maya syntax represents the core or “root” of  a verb. There is (Stuart, 2011, 169)some evidence, not completely secure as yet, that this X-sign reads jel , a word in Maya languages that might sound familiar from earlier discussions in Chapter 3 meaning “to switch” or “to change-over”. (Stewart, 2011)

The X-like element, David Stuart mentions above can also indicate “sky bands.” but his other translation jel,  meaning “to switch” or “to change-over” was perfect. His next question “What changed?” can be answered easily with spelling: ”image,” “form,” or “mask.”

What changed? , that is what we see in the next glyph, the subject of the verb. Here we have a sequence of two syllables k’o  and ba. In a parallel case the same glyph blocks to be spelled k’o-jo-ba, suggesting that the Quiriguá glyph is a shorted form of the word k’oj ba, perhaps pronounced and spelled sometimes as k’o-ba.  The best reading of this word, I believe, is based on the root k’oj, meaning “image, mask.” In Yucatec Mayan, the equivalent of k’ohbäil, “image, form, portrait, “ and in Ch’ol Mayan the equivalent is k’ohbäjil, with a somewhat related meaning of “head, face.” Both of these are in turn related to the widespread Mayan word k’oj, meaning “mask.” The idea of these obvious related concepts centers on the key notion that one’s head or face
is what conveys one’s image and identity.  (Stewart, 2011)

But only if we accept the 129.600 as the "face of the earth had been changed". The whole idea is that the three hearthstones were “set” at this time, explained on Stela C at Copan. And Altar Q mentions the name of one of the rulers as “Great Sun, Turtle, Macaw, Lake.”  The Great [Star comet] is locaeted in the Turtle [constellation], and also called [Seven] Macaw, at the [Lake.] Now, it could have been the name of a real person who was born during that event, or it is just the event itself personified.

The only question that is unasked and unanswered is why were there only three hearthstones? David did mention the Aztec Sun Stone at the INAH museum which he claimed is only the emblematic hieroglyph of the Fifth Sun. He did not consider dates since there seemed to be a different story with the glyphs on the stone.

In the Google blog: Stars of Tamoanchan, the Secret of the Aztec Calendar Stone is explained The Blog was written as the Four Ages of the Sun for a good reason.

 There are only three Ages of the Sun on the Aztec Sun Stone. Fourth Age is actually the first age; and One became the last Age. These two ages are noted by INAH as having 676 years, and the other the middle, of Tlaloc and his wife, Chalchiuhtlicue have two numbers that  add up to 676 ([Tl]364 + [Ch] 312= 676 years) (the confirmation of number of years for each "square Age" can be found in The History of the Mexicans as told by their Paintings. by Henry Phillips, Jr (1883, 8). Tlaloc produced the rains of “Resin” or “Turpentine” while his wife, who extinguished the fires with her “flood of water.”

Therefore, we are now living in the Age of the Fourth Sun, not the Fifth.  It is all Astronomy, Climatology, and Geology. The History as told in the Popol Vuh and other manuscripts should be re-evaluated.

We can return to David Stuart’s theory of dating, but that would take another long session of writing,  I think the Creation of the World, was what he was looking for, it is there for the taking.


The matching numbers can be found in a Chinese book called Xi You Ji, in the first two columns of its Introduction. Da Vinci’s square within a square is a Chinese character translated as “He who returns.” the Huihui or those from the Middle East.

Once the dates are corrected away from the 819 year correlation, one might find the exact European sequence as the Comet came three times and dropped a major stone in each of the three locations.