So back to our original symbols of yore, were they more accurate in spite of being forbidden to use the symbols they understood at the time of a special sky event?
Note for p. 127 on p. 276: "the word used for the coati was [coc] which must be q’oq’, squash, rather than "Ko’k," turtle. Obviously turtles do not have seeds," [So the text was adjusted] Dennis Tedlock (1996, 127)
1 (1954, 107) Popul Vuh “The Book of the People” Translated into English by Delia Goetz and Sylvanus Griswold
Morley, from Adrián Recino's translation from Quiché into Spanish Plantin Press, Los Angeles [1954, copyright not
registered or renewed]
"…Presently Xbalanqué threw a stone at the turtle, which came to the ground and fell in the ballcourt, breaking into
a thousand pieces like seeds, before the lords.…"
Here are only a few of Justin Kerr's Vase examples of the Maize God's connection with the turtle as his earth (in the sky) and with our physical Earth when he was reborn. They include, music, the turtle source of music, the turtle source of birth in or on the earth; One Hunahpú, the father of the Twins who gave him his "bone throne"; the presence of Seven Macaw; pieces of the turtle shell floating through the primordial sea in the sky; and a hazy ideaograph of his monkey association with the northwestern skies.
Kerr Number: K-118 Music, and K-645 Musicians sleep and watch with infant in sacrificial cache vessel and K-4998 Resurrection of Hun Hun Ahpu from quatrefoil turtle carapace, with deer impersonator for a dance ceremony
Kerr Number: K-4681 The maize god being reborn (resurrected) from the turtle shell with the aid of his sons, the hero twins. Also K-8757 Maize God in watery realm (turtles on each side maybe) and K-9174 The resurrection scene with the Maize God holding a bird. God N emerges from the turtle shell as inK-2980 God N in Turtle Carapace
Kerr Number: K-728 Wtater lily monster as skeletal god with turtle carapace for body holding bone throne over his head and K-4539 supernatural turtles? swimming through the primordial sea
Kerr Number: K-5457 Turtle on cover of vessel. Its abstract designs seem to be monkeys.